Please help... question on how grain/corn grown for storage...

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#1 Post by Dawns » Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:58 am

Hello,

I've been reading up the last few weeks but this is my first post. I need some help and though this is a great time to register and get active :)

We have a local feed store that only has non-GMO grain. I asked about it being ok for human consumption and if it is sprayed at all. I was told that at the time of planting, the seed is sprayed with a non-residual herbicide to help it sprout but the herbicide is long gone by the time the plant grows and wheat/corn etc is harvested. It is never sprayed at all after that. I'd like to buy a ton (literally) of the wheat and corn for storage but I'm not sure about "non-residual herbicide." Can anyone give me some info/thoughts??

Thanks so much!

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Re: Please help... question on how grain/corn grown for storage...

#2 Post by Andy F » Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:28 pm

@Dawns If it were myself, and I could, I would buy it and properly store it. The amount of herbicide is really, miniscule.
In the big scheme of things that grain would become more priceless than diamonds or gold. Protect it.

Here are a few documents/websites on "Non & Residual Herbicides"


Herbicides | Agriculture and Food - agric.wa.gov.au

https://www.agric.wa.gov.au/herbicides/herbicides
Nov 21, 2018 ... Non-residual herbicides, such as the non-selective paraquat and glyphosate, have little or no soil activity and are quickly deactivated in the soil.

Why Residual Herbicides are Important Tools in Battling Hard-to ...
https://cropwatch.unl.edu/why-residual- ... trol-weeds
May 1, 2015 ... Most effective weed control programs include pre-emergence herbicides that deliver long-lasting, residual weed control. Pre-emergence ...

Efficacy of Residual and Non-Residual Herbicides ... - USDA ARS

PDF AutoDownload only - https://www.ars.usda.gov/ARSUserFiles/6 ... ce_08c.pdf
Efficacy of Residual and Non-Residual Herbicides Used in Cotton Production. Systems When Applied with Glyphosate, Glufosinate, or MSMA. Andrew J. Price ...

Edu-BLOG - Herbicide-related definitions: A review - UC Weed Science - ANR ...
https://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postde ... tnum=13487
Apr 6, 2014 ... Herbicide: To be honest, there are lots of definitions out there, and they all ... also be referred to as 'residual' herbicides meaning that they are applied to
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#3 Post by Andy F » Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:32 pm

Over in these 3 IAF threads is some good information
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#4 Post by Farside » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:02 pm

Almost all grain (except malting barley) is sprayed with roundup shortly before harvest. If left to its own devices, grain dies off on its own at different rates and you end up with a field of varying "dead" grass. Traditionally this isn't an issue because harvesters just harvest the the stuff that is ready and come around and harvest the rest as they go. But a big mechanical combine will do the field in a day, and it all needs to be evenly dead so that no green, moist material gets clogged in the mechanism. The solution is to spray it with roundup a week to 10 days before harvesting.

The reason this doesn't happen with malting barley is that the seed is harvested then immediately sprouted during the malting process. The residual herbicide can interfere with the germination process because of the the short dormancy time of the seed.

As far as using this grain you plan to buy for eating, well, you eat it anyway. I guess you could rinse and dry it before milling to try and reduce the residue. Bear in mind that most of the herbicide is present on the plant stalk and seed sheath which is removed during the harvesting process. This is why residual herbicide is a serious concern when using straw mulch in a garden.

If you plan to use the grain as seed then I personally wouldn't worry about it. If you're going to eat it then, well, you eat is anyway in everything you buy right?

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#5 Post by Dawns » Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:08 am

Thanks to you both, Andy and Farside :) You've both been a big help. I'm going to go for it since I can get so much for such a good price! :mrgreen:

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#6 Post by Farside » Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:53 am

No problem. Just make sure it's not soggy!

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#7 Post by Andy F » Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:52 am

Farside wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:53 am
No problem. Just make sure it's not soggy!
Aren't there grain moisture meters available for farmers, similar to soil moisture meters?
It might be worth the cost if it would save time & the $$$ from getting a ton of bad grain.
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#8 Post by Dawns » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:54 pm

Thanks again to you both! Now I have to figure out where the heck I'm going to store all the extra buckets :lol:

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#9 Post by Farside » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:35 pm

Those 55 gallon plastic barrels with a screw top lid is probably your best and cheapest option. They keep moisture and rodents out.

Another option is an IBC tote. It holds an actual ton of water. The drawback is the ease of removing grain especially as you get towards the bottom.

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#10 Post by backpaddock » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:33 am

Hi Dawn,
My first post here as well.
I'm not sure how it's done in other countries but I've never heard of spraying just before harvest actually happening in Australia. In broadacre farming the ground is usually sprayed to kill "weeds" before seeding and basically left until harvesting. It would have to be done by plane or similar to avoid crop loss and would be an added expense that most farmers would want to avoid. I heard about the spraying wheat to dessicate it prior to harvest on a website trying to link glyphosate to gluten intolerance but have found little evidence of it actually happening.
As for storing, I've always been dubious about storing food in plastic buckets unless you have a very well sealed room etc to store them in. I've seen rats chew through quarter inch plastic to get to food and mice go straight through those food grade buckets. I store whole grain in thick polyethylene bags tightly packed in sealed steel drums. Just something to think about.

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